I have talked to a lot of Americans, and definately those that are educated, have succesful lives and have a descent level of culture have views that support immigration ( legal and illegal, even if it is somewhat controlled ) and now I just took the time to look at the profiles of all the ppl who answer ignorant racist like answers on immigration and then I see that the jerry Springer show guests do exist.
is there ANYONE a little descent that doesn't have buck teeth, works at Target and drives am 80's Ford vehicle that can SUCCESFULLY debate the subject????
Are all anti immigrants trailer trash??
No. Actually the anti-Immigrants are Israeli-lovers mainly
Reply:So you are saying people who work at Target, and don't make as much than most people are beneath you??
Reply:How can there be controlled illegal immigration? Is that like allowing just a few bank robberies because you feel sorry for the robbers? I mean, they're just trying to get a better life for their family. Why should we prosecute them?
It's ignorant people who turn the ILLEGAL immigration discussion to racism and insults. I don't care who it is coming into this country illegally. They are committing a crime and using MY money to better their life. When I want to help the less fortunate, I donate my money and time willingly. I don't like it when people steal it out of my pocket.
If you really want to debate a topic, stop with the insults and cries of racism and let's talk about FACTS. When you have to call people names, it shows your lack of intelligence.
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Reply:you sound like you would fit right in with this group .illegal anything is wrong to alow .if we want it to be ok then the laws have to be changed
Reply:No.
Trailer Trash is a pejorative and belays your lieberal elite bias.
WITNESS! The Lieberal Elites! This is your class warfare! US PEOPLE Know your enemy is the petty bourgeoisie among you!
Reply:The successful types you've mentioned probably are the CEO's and managers of corporations that are drunk on cheap labor. It's 21st century slavery. Importing millions of people to work dirty jobs 50 hours a week for slave wages -- with no hope of advancement and no benefits.
Why are you taking the side of rich, fat cat CEO's who'd sell their mom out just to make a quick buck?
Reply:i have learned sense i have been coming on here you people call other names if they don't agree with the illegals views. you call people trailer park trash, then what are you for calling names. and don't be surprised if you get reported by people who agree with illegals. legal immigration is fine, they pay their way in this country . illegals don't give nothing but take. put that in you pipe and smoke it papoose.
Reply:yes, you are correct
Reply:I have a college degree and a pick-up truck, nor do I work at target. I am not against immigration; however, illegal immigration is a problem that needs to be addressed. Not all illegal immigrats are bad, but in all fairness some people come here illegally with ill intent.
weak border policies are also a matter of national security. What if Al Qaeda snuck across the US/Mexico border. I also believe some ideas like building a fence are ludicris.
If you want more info on why I am against illegal immigration check out www.fairus.org.
Reply:Racism is and can be a natural instinct. Homer's the Odyssey explores peoples' natural fear of people unlike themselves.
Everybody is racist to some degree. But its how they act that on it, which determines if its appropriate.
As having traveled to more then 50 countries, in my short life, i can tell you immigration is not always the best idea. Immigration does need to be controlled and limited. Immigration in less wealthy counties or areas is even more problematic.
Controlling your home/country is a right of "self determination" that should be respected.
Reply:Obviously you haven't talked to enough Americans.
Reply:If I were you. I'd get out of your trailer fast. The other occupants may hog roast you.
You betray your lack of intelligence and ability to debate any topic by these sweeping generalizations and a complete lack of anything other than insults. You have yet to debate anything, successfully or otherwise.
Reply:I would be happy to. I graduated from college, do not work at Target (although I don't think it's a bad thing) and have all of my teeth.
Illegal immigration is breaking the law. I am for anyone who wants to come to this country LEAGALLY and learn the language, become a productive member of society, and pay do what they need to do to support their family. Illegal aliens put a huge drain on the system. Companies in the U.S. aere not stupid. Why pay fair wages when you can hire an illegal alien for 1/4th the salary and not pay income tax on them. They hurt the American worker, and hurt the unions. While some illegals pay tax, most do not. they can't, they are here ILLEGALLY. If you tried to go to Mexico, even as a legal resident, then marched into an immigration officials' office and said you wanted free health care, public aid, and free schooling for your kids, and by the way, I want all of the services in English because I don't speak Spanish and have no intention too, not only would they fall on the floor laughing, but you would be given a one way ticket back to your country of origin.
Again, I am not against LEGAL immigration. There are many people doing what they can LEGALLY to enter the country to make a better life for themselves and their families. I welcome those people with open arms and I hope everything works out well. To those who are here ILLEGALLY and think they have a right to complain about not getting what they deserve, they deserve NOTHING.
I believe that the U.S. is the greatest country in the world, and citizenship is not a right, but a privilage. The last time I checked, a privilage is earned. How has someone who has not come here as a legal immigrant earned their right to be here. Legal immigrants have to go through a tough set of regulations to stay. They show they respect our country and want to be a part of it. Illegals do no such thing. they sneak in under the system, then expect our tax dollars to take care of them.
I was born in the U.S. and I earn my citizenship every day. I bust my butt to make sure my family is taken care of. I have gone back to school to become a teacher. My parents still are paying back loans that helped put my brother, sisters and I through school. My grandfather fought in WWII at Iwo Jima and Guadalcanal. My father-in-law did 2 tours in Vietnam. Every day I thank my lucky stars that I am an American, but I don't stop there. I make sure that I am worthy of the title Proud American. I wish everyone would.
Reply:I know someone who drives an 85' Ford, and HE knows how to spell correctly. Hmmm.
If you expect an intelligent exchange on this subject it may help to not be a presumptuous a**hole.
Reply:hmmm i think somebody got beat up alot in high school.. becasue they are a geek and gay :)
Reply:Yes, I would be more than pleased to debate on this subject. My teeth are all straight, I have an education, and I work in finance. I also live in a 3700 sq. ft. home on a 40 acre farm, sorry no trailers there, and I drive a 2001 SUV.
That said. I welcome LEGAL immigrants ( My mother was one), but I would just as soon shoot myself in the foot than put up with ILLEGAL CRIMINALS. Being in finance I have a very good understanding of the drain they are on our economy and social services. We are not the land of handouts and I know several educators that are fed up with and frustrated with the damage that all of their illegal little rugrats have done to our education system. Most of these people are illiterate in their own languages and we're supposed to teach them english, a language by the way that they have no interest in learning.
The only thing racist here is your obvious hate of white Americans. Either we are too educated and rich, therefore crooks and bigots in your eyes, or too under educated and racist.
Get over yourself and take your illegal butt back over the border where it came from.
EDIT: Thought I would share with everyone what this lowlife had to say via my email. Enjoy!
From: corporal.hicks
Subject: do you have a mirror?
Message: A dark skinned avatar that calls herself "white american"??? hmmmm, so blacks, asians, hispanics can't be american. OOOkaaaayyyy. If you actually did know about finance, then you would know of the millions of dollars lost for kicking out illegal workers from the industry or the jobs lost because corporations send their plants to China. Please do your research but then again what do I expect.....you live in a farm and drive an SUV.....
And for everyone's information my response to his racist question was in direct reaction to his stereotyping in this post and others. What does a cartoon picture that my daughter put on my profile have to do with who I am? I Know that not all white people or colored people for that matter can be cast from a single set genotypes. I also know that Americans can be of many ethnic origins or of mixed ethnic origins, as I am, eventhough I and the US government consider me white (not enough native to be considered native).
This guy is just pissed off that 80% of LEGAL Americans want to send him and his ILLEGAL friends back to where they came from so they can quit leaching off of hard working LEGAL CITIZENS.
Reply:So you are saying it is ok to break the law? How high minded of you. I guess if someone breaks into your house, rapes and kills your wife and children, robs your house before burning it to the ground, needs to be "understood" because they just needed sex and money, and heaven forbid they would want any witnesses...right?
Rome fell because they failed to control the influx of migrants who came to take of what Rome had without being Roman. If you fail to recognize History then you are doomed to repeat it.
Further, you do not destinguish between those people who want to come here to be Americans from those who simply cross our border to get free benefits that we ALL pay for.
I personally support legal immigration, you are confused enough to not see the difference.
Reply:I support legal immigration - I would not be here without it. It is the illegals I am worried about. At most construction sites in the southwest of good ol USA, it is difficult to find anyone that can speak English. And it is not German, French, Chinese, Japanese, Vietnamese, Korean, Arabic or any other of the myriad of languages spoken on this planet that are printed under English on signs, posters etc in our government offices. It is Spanish.
It is wrong to turn a blind eye to the flood of refuges from central and south american that come to US. In this war on Radical Islam, I would prefer that all immigration coming to US for next few years be from Middle Eastern cultures. This war is a clash of cultures, and clash only solved if each culture is able to better understand the other.
Is that a successful argument?
Reply:To add comment to your ‘additional detail’ remark--- how many Hispanic people actually move back to their home country after they’ve “made a little bit of money” in the country they “don’t love”; and go back to the native country which they only took a temporary hiatus (not abandoned, remember!) run amuck buy the corrupt government?
Obviously not very many otherwise this would not be a problem, everyone one of my frinds—who’s family came over here—are still, go figure. It’s been what 20 plus years… is that how long it takes to make “a little money”??
“None of us wants to stay.. have a child here” Then why do so many have children, just send the men to work and leave the women home while they get a monthly check?
Can you retort that? Inquiring minds would like to know!
Ignorance begets ignorance. Get your facts straight.
Reply:I do not have buck Teeth. I am not trailer trash. I am STRONGLY against the ILLEGAL alien criminals that are in our country. What part of ILLEGAL don't you get?
BTW, I have a college education and an advanced degree so I'm no "dummy!"
Reply:I'm a conservative, and a Detroit native, and I say if you're here legally, fine, welcome, enjoy your stay. If you're here ILLEGALLY you're trespassing!
Race has nothing to do with it. Citizenship does.
Reply:I could debate you (since my teeth are fine, work in high tech telecommunications field and drive 2005 sports car) but since I have a Master's Degree, I'm afraid I'd be over your head.
Reply:And you are not being racist by saying that people that work for Target are less worthy than you? Let's move on.... Who are these very educated people that know the impact of illegal alliens in this country and believe that they are great for the economy and prosperity of this country? I would love to know, because I am one of the educated, high income, people and all my friends and coworkers are the same. No one that I know falls for the crap that the biased media and Bush want us to believe " Illegals help the economy" Sure they do, they give birth in our hospitals for free while the rest of us are afraid to have any health issues because of the cost attached to it. Illegals, work under the table, don't pay taxes and then collect wellfare from our taxes. Illegals cross the border just to have an anchor baby so that they don't get deported from this country and get all the nice benefits....need I go more? Which part of these issues do your intellectual, educated friends don't understand. IT seems to me that you don't need more than and 8th grade education to understand when something smells this bad....The fact is, illegals are breaking the laws by being here, they don't have any interest in learning the language and culture, they are only here to reap the benefits. They are here to yell at our schools for not having enough spanish speaking classes paid by our property taxes. So again, maybe your "educated" friends and you need to learn a little more about the facts and not be guided by emotions. I love it how this culture has become so ultra liberal minded that everything is guided just by emotions, no thinking, no logic. It's all a big game of emotions.
Reply:Our people who work at Target, have fewer years of education, and have fewer options are the ones hit worst by illegal immigration. Whereas education is my hot spot, since the illegal immigrants swamp our schools and drain education funds effectively ruining the district where my children attend, those who make lower wages have the more immediate employment impacts of illegal immigration. Illegal immigrants drive down the working man's wage, and drain social services designed for OUR people, who need them.
You are hardly displaying your own education and debate skills by insulting those who have less money and education and fewer options than you do.
Reply:No. Additionally, I do believe you mean illegal aliens. We are anti-illegal-aliens not anti immigrants. Get your facts straight.
Not everyone wants to participate in higher education. There are plenty of decent people who are not trailer trash, but aren't the scholastic type either. There are also students who need to work their way through college and/or get some work experience in menial jobs in order to get jobs at places that will pay them more. These fine Americans mow lawns, build homes, etc. So, I wouldn't suggest that you claim we need illegal aliens to do this work. I also don't suggest that you say well educated people are better than middle class/blue collar workers as many of these "educated" people you love so much don't give a rats azz about the people who come here illegally, they just don't want to mow their own grass or raise their own children, so they are willing to sacrifice this nation so their lazy elite lives won't be disrupted by mundane tasks that GOOD AMERICANS do for themselves.
PS: If you hate it here so much, leave.
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